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[94.102.46.169]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id oj5sm2070054lab.8.2012.10.28.05.57.51 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 28 Oct 2012 05:57:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: From: "Ronnie Brenden" To: "4x Pips" References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Is service in the end worth it? Some questions and thoughts Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2012 13:57:55 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003E_01CDB514.3B02E030" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3555.308 Dette er en melding med flere deler i MIME-format. ------=_NextPart_000_003E_01CDB514.3B02E030 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey Martin, I must say it is a bit shocking that some people target you on a = personal level. Some cant differentiate between personal life and = business. My thought is that some of these signed up and risked whatever = they had into a few trades that was loosers. Obviously these traders (if = you can call them that) dont have much do to in business in general, and = looks like they dont have much to do in interpersonal relations either. = If it was me in your seat I would take a run with a lawyer. I would = have not accepted this kind of shamelessness. Unfortunately theres a lot = of gold diggers in this biz, beliving they will hit the jackpot with a = few trades. Theres no such thing as quick rich scheeme, but some people = dont understand it.=20 That being said, I have also decided to stop this subscription. It has = nothing to do with that I had a few loosers. Belive me, after staying in = this biz for 4 years I=E2=80=99ve been through some rough patches. The = reason I stopped now is that Im corporated with a partner in USA. Myself = I live in Norway. We are trading the futures, binaries and fx spot. We = have decided that eventually we will launch a signal service as well. I = was hoping you could give me an insight what this would take. I was a = bit shocked by what you have experienced, but I have a few questions = that you might know the answer to? 1. What is the costs of running a webiste with paypal subscription and = email service on a monthly basis?=20 2. Did you get programmers to SEO optimize, marketing and other related = to gaining high traffic? 3. How many hours do you got to put into running the website on a daily = basis? 4. Do you make a good income of it? 5. How long time period did it take to build a client base? 6. In general, is it all worth it? Thats all on my mind now Martin.=20 Hope you could find time to answer my mail. best regards, Ronnie Brenden Brenden Mayer Investments LLC From: 4x Pips=20 Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2012 3:13 PM To: Ronnie Brenden=20 Subject: CHANGE TO SERVICE Hi all It is with great regret that I have decided to step aside at 4X Pips = after 4 fantastic years. Unfortunately the past 1-2 months the signals = have not been the best, even though the last week we are back to some = profit, and people who have recently joined have decided to target a = lot of anger and abuse directly at me. Recently I have had personal = threats, had blatant lies told about me, people posting untrue facts = about me and my private live and had people creating fake Facebook = profiles to try and befriend me on FB and check into my private and = personal life. For everyone who knows me through the group or knows me = personally and knows the service for more than 3 months they will know = that I have always worked hard (16 hour days sometimes) to give people a = reliable, honest and fair signal service. Its just unfortunate that we = have had a losing few weeks after the FPA offer and new website. Its also unfortunate that from the 100's of clients (and 1000's over the = past few years) that its only 4-5 people who made it personal against me = and decided to target me direct. So for that reason I am stepping aside = as it means someone else can step in and run the service better without = this level of abuse and personal attacks.=20 So on that note, I have asked TCi who has been giving excellent pips = over the past 2 months in the skype group to take over. He will have = access to our other traders and it will be his decision whether to send = the other traders signals out or hold them or adjust them. He will be = available in the skype groups and you can ask for his help and support = there. His signals and updates will be sent out as usual by email, = twitter, twitter sms and facebook. In my opinion this will improve the = signals and service and lead to good pips and profits. I can honestly = say if TCi was not available then I would continue but I have known him = for a long time now and am so impressed with his signals and work that I = am happy for him to provide the signals for 4X Pips signals. All signals = will still have entry, stop loss and TP and will be similar to the = signals we had this week with smaller SL's which will be better. There = will also be more major pairs such as EU, GU, AU & UC. People will see = no change to the service, you will still get approx the same number of = signals, sent the same way, TCi will be admin of the skype group and = email support will still be available from other admins. I may join the = skype group as a client in the coming weeks and will be happy to chat to = fellow clients when I do The admin side of things (such as questions about the service, any = problems you are having or subscriptions) will be dealt with by the = other admins in the company. Also 1 person will now deal with all emails = as we had some occurances where there was a number of us answering = emails and missing emails so now 1 person deals with them and they aim = to answer all emails within 24hrs but they will aim for much faster = during the London trading hours Let me say that this is not a negative for 4X Pips and I honestly = believe it will help improve the pips and service and there is still = plans for the 3rd party verification, autotrade and ipad/android apps = and they will be worked on by the other admins shortly. Please keep an = eye on the website for updates on the autotrade system especially. Of = course some people will view this negatively (the 4-5 people above) and = probably make some weird claims but when the service is being negatively = affected by certain people and I am finding my time taken up by these = people and not with signals and clients then its best I step aside. Of course I still have some good friends and good people I met through = this service and will keep some of you as my personal FB friends. Some = of you do email me asking for advice on other issues and opinion on long = term trades so if you wish to still keep in touch then please email 4x = pips here and they will give you my private email address and you can = still email me when you need free advice So once again thanks everybody and I will still be available into start = next week. So if you have any questions then please let me know before = then. Thanks again and happy trading Martin --=20 4X PIPS TEAM=20 www.profitfromtrading.co.uk To unsubscribe from our periodic e-mail messages, please click the = following link=20 ------=_NextPart_000_003E_01CDB514.3B02E030 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey Martin,

I must say it is a bit shocking that some people = target=20 you on a personal level. Some cant differentiate between personal life = and=20 business. My thought is that some of these signed up and risked whatever = they=20 had into a few trades that was loosers. Obviously these traders (if you = can call=20 them that) dont have much do to in business in general, and looks like = they dont=20 have much to do in interpersonal relations either. If it was me in your = seat I=20 would take a run with a lawyer.  I would have not accepted this = kind of=20 shamelessness. Unfortunately theres a lot of gold diggers in this biz, = beliving=20 they will hit the jackpot with a few trades. Theres no such thing as = quick rich=20 scheeme, but some people dont understand it.

That being said, I have also = decided to stop=20 this subscription. It has nothing to do with that I had a few loosers. = Belive=20 me, after staying in this biz for 4 years I=E2=80=99ve been through some = rough patches.=20 The reason I stopped now is that Im corporated with a partner in USA. = Myself I=20 live in Norway. We are trading the futures, binaries and fx spot. We = have=20 decided that eventually we will launch a signal service as well. I was = hoping=20 you could give me an insight what this would take. I was a bit shocked = by what=20 you have experienced, but I have a few questions that you might know the = answer=20 to?

1. What is the costs of running a webiste with paypal = subscription=20 and email service on a monthly basis?
2. Did you get programmers to = SEO=20 optimize, marketing and other related to gaining high traffic?
3. How = many=20 hours do you got to put into running the website on a daily basis?
4. = Do you=20 make a good income of it?
5. How long time period did it take to = build a=20 client base?
6. In general, is it all worth it?


Thats all = on my=20 mind now Martin.

Hope you could find time to answer my=20 mail.


best regards,


Ronnie Brenden
Brenden = Mayer=20 Investments LLC



From: 4x Pips
Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2012 3:13 PM
Subject: CHANGE TO SERVICE
 

Hi = all

 
It is with great = regret that I=20 have decided to step aside at 4X Pips after 4 fantastic years. = Unfortunately the=20 past 1-2 months the signals have not been the best, even though the last = week we=20 are back to some profit,  and people who have recently joined have = decided=20 to target a lot of anger and abuse directly at me. Recently I have had = personal=20 threats, had blatant lies told about me, people posting untrue facts = about me=20 and my private live and had people creating fake Facebook profiles to = try and=20 befriend me on FB and check into my private and personal life. For = everyone who=20 knows me through the group or knows me personally and knows the service = for more=20 than 3 months they will know that I have always worked hard (16 hour = days=20 sometimes) to give people a reliable, honest and fair signal service. = Its just=20 unfortunate that we have had a losing few weeks after the FPA offer and = new=20 website.
 
Its also unfortunate = that from=20 the 100's of clients (and 1000's over the past few years) that its only = 4-5=20 people who made it personal against me and decided to target me direct. = So for=20 that reason I am stepping aside as it means someone else can step in and = run the=20 service better without this level of abuse and personal attacks.
 
So on that note, I = have asked=20 TCi who has been giving excellent pips over the past 2 months in the = skype group=20 to take over. He will have access to our other traders and it will be = his=20 decision whether to send the other traders signals out or hold them or = adjust=20 them. He will be available in the skype groups and you can ask for his = help and=20 support there. His signals and updates will be sent out as usual by = email,=20 twitter, twitter sms and facebook. In my opinion this will improve the = signals=20 and service and lead to good pips and profits. I can honestly say if TCi = was not=20 available then I would continue but I have known him for a long time now = and am=20 so impressed with his signals and work that I am happy for him to = provide the=20 signals for 4X Pips signals. All signals will still have entry, stop = loss and TP=20 and will be similar to the signals we had this week with smaller SL's = which will=20 be better. There will also be more major pairs such as EU, GU, AU & = UC.=20 People will see no change to the service, you will still get approx the = same=20 number of signals, sent the same way, TCi will be admin of the skype = group and=20 email support will still be available from other admins. I may join the = skype=20 group as a client in the coming weeks and will be happy to chat to = fellow=20 clients when I do
 
The admin side of = things (such=20 as questions about the service, any problems you are having or =20 subscriptions) will be dealt with by the other admins in the company. = Also 1=20 person will now deal with all emails as we had some occurances where = there was a=20 number of us answering emails and missing emails so now 1 person deals = with them=20 and they aim to answer all emails within 24hrs but they will aim for = much faster=20 during the London trading hours
 
Let me say that this = is not a=20 negative for 4X Pips and I honestly believe it will help improve the = pips and=20 service and there is still plans for the 3rd party verification, = autotrade and=20 ipad/android apps and they will be worked on by the other admins = shortly. Please=20 keep an eye on the website for updates on the autotrade system = especially. Of=20 course some people will view this negatively (the 4-5 people above) and = probably=20 make some weird claims but when the service is being negatively affected = by=20 certain people and I am finding my time taken up by these people and not = with=20 signals and clients then its best I step aside.
 
Of course I still = have some=20 good friends and good people I met through this service and will keep = some of=20 you as my personal FB friends. Some of you do email me asking for advice = on=20 other issues and opinion on long term trades so if you wish to still = keep in=20 touch then please email 4x pips here and they will give you my private = email=20 address and you can still email me when you need free advice
 
So once again thanks = everybody=20 and I will still be available into start next week. So if you have any = questions=20 then please let me know before then.
 
Thanks again and = happy=20 trading
Martin
 
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