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Expected profit of 1000+ Pips a mon= th=0AThis is our expected profit based over the past 12-18 months profit we= achieved. It is only an expected value and as people know you cannot guara= ntee any pips in forex but we do find we generally provide this profit over= the month and in 16 of the last 18 months we have provided more than the 1= 000+ Pips. Chatting in the skype group yesterday one trader said he has had= 11 consecutive winning months with this month his one losing one (using hi= s own system) so it isa volatile and strange market at the moment. Yesterda= y for example, EURUSD went up +200 Pips for 2 reason...1) a rumour about Ge= rmany helping Spain which later turned out to be false and misrepresented a= nd 2) Moodys NOT downgrading Spain.....so a 200+ Pips move because of these= 2 reasons is mad to be honest. Personally I use another signal company who= is very good one for mainly commodities and they claim 2000 - 3000 Pips ev= ery month and their service has been poor the last few weeks too. So I am not making excuses as I agree things have been poor but it seems to be a r= ecurring theme at the moment.=0A=A0=0A2. We do not report true results=0ATh= is is always a problem area. Some mad signal companies (and I have used the= m) will report the profit as the max profit it hit during the trade so if a= signal spiked up 40pips and straight down in seconds and hit SL then they = would report +40 Pips which is total rubbish. We report what we provide as = a signal and advice but as we finish at 4PM London time and we have traders= from all over the world then people will achieve different pips. Yesterday= some traders told me they made +30 Pips on EURAUD while some people who we= re sleeping while the signal was at +30 Pips would not have made any profit= and would have made 0 Pips. (we will report this as 0 Pips anyway in our w= eekly report). But if after 4PM a signal went within 1-2 pips of hitting a = TP and then reversed and hit our entry I would expect a large number of peo= ple to have made a good profit from it and would report this as a range bas= ed on lowest to highest. We also have access to some clients accounts and we use these as reference to see what profit people achieved.= These 5 people are based around the world and gives us a good snapshot of = the signals. I know some people won't agree with this but this we find is t= he best reflection of the service and the profit available=0A=A0=0A3. Peopl= e claiming to blow their accounts=0AI have had 1 person claim he has lost a= ll his account following our signals over the past 4 weeks. As we had prett= y much a breakeven week last week based on % and average about 10 signals a= week then that would mean he has blown his account in 30 trades of which a= bout 6-8 hit SL and rest were SL AT ENTRY or PROFIT. So although it is poss= ible he has, he must be risking 20-30% per trade but please please use good= money management. I have added the money management guide again for people= . Its not a perfect guide but it gives a guide to what you should be tradin= g per signals, don't trade the same lot size per signal as our GOLD signal = can have up to 200pips SL while an USDJPY can have only 30 Pips SL, adjust = accordingly. Its really frustrating when somebody says "oh that was a big l= oser", it should be a 2% loser (some people may trade higher with 3 or 4% t= hough).=A0=0A=A0=0A4. People claiming almost all our signal hit SL recently= =0AIt came to my attention yesterday that some people are getting mixed up = with HIT SL & HIT SL AT ENTRY. If a signal hits SL then its a loser, if it = hits SL AT ENTRY then its a breakeven trade as we have moved our SL to entr= y so no loss can occur. Please keep an eye on our updates as we tend to mov= e SL TO ENTRY after about 25-30Pips to avoid any loss=0A=A0=0A5 Not posting= signals on =A0Facebook etc=0AUnfortunately there is the very very odd occa= sion where a signal did not go out on FB but we all know FB can crash somet= imes and I click post and move on to something else and then see it did not= post and refresh and nothing happens but this is the very odd occasion and= should not be a problem=0A=A0=0A6. The Free week=0APeople are not being au= tobilled by PP so are getting a free week and this will also continue for e= veryone else so I hope this covers the lack of service last week=0A=A0=0A7.= GOLD SERVICE=0AAs the service is just 1 email a day and no updates are sen= t then please manage the signals yourself. We do use larger SL & TP but as = you can see the market is very volatile at the moment and trades are going = into profit and swinging into loss so move SL TO ENTRY after about 30 Pips = if possible and close when you like.=0A=A0=0A8. Skype group=0APlease keep t= he skype chat upbeat and if you have a problem speak to Admin direct when h= e is online (sometimes he may appear offline but just message him and he sh= ould come online during London trading hours). I have noticed 1-2 people ge= tting frustrated with the signals and their own trading which I totally agr= ee with but please don't take it out on fellow people in the group. The sky= pe rules are in the welcome emails you received.=0A=A0=0AI hope this clears= up most things. If you have any questions then please let me know and than= ks everybody for their patience and hopefully in coming days and weeks we w= ill make some good pips=0A=A0=0AThanks=0A=0A=A0--=A0=0A4X PIPS TEAM =0Awww.= profitfromtrading.co.uk=0A=A0=0A=A0=0ATo unsubscribe from our periodic e-ma= il messages, please click the following link ---476738056-409451087-1352284929=:80349 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Martin
I am committed but just to diversify my investments.

=
"Personally I use another signal company who is very good one for mai= nly =0Acommodities and they claim 2000 - 3000 Pips every month and their = =0Aservice has been poor the last few weeks too."

What servi= ce is this one please

regards
Phil

From: 4x Pips <adm= in@4xpips.net>
To: = Philip Brooks <hotphil2000@yahoo.com.au>
Sent: Wednesday, 17 October 2012, 17:30
Subject: SIGNALS
=0A=09Signals
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= =0A=09=09Hi all,
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=0A=09=09 
=0A=09
=0A=09=09S= ome people have been asking me questions about the service and the poor per= formance in the last few weeks and I wanted to answer a few of them
= =0A=09
=0A=09=09 
=0A=09
=0A=09=091. Expected profit of 1= 000+ Pips a month
=0A=09
=0A=09=09This is our expected profit base= d over the past 12-18 months profit we achieved. It is only an expected val= ue and as people know you cannot guarantee any pips in forex but we do find= we generally provide this profit over the month and in 16 of the last 18 m= onths we have provided more than the 1000+ Pips. Chatting in the skype grou= p yesterday one trader said he has had 11 consecutive winning months with t= his month his one losing one (using his own system) so it isa volatile and = strange market at the moment. Yesterday for example, EURUSD went up +200 Pi= ps for 2 reason...1) a rumour about Germany helping Spain which later turne= d out to be false and misrepresented and 2) Moodys NOT downgrading Spain...= ..so a 200+ Pips move because of these 2 reasons is mad to be honest. Perso= nally I use another signal company who is very good one for mainly commodit= ies and they claim 2000 - 3000 Pips every month and their service has been = poor the last few weeks too. So I am not making excuses as I agree things have been poor but it seems to be = a recurring theme at the moment.
=0A=09
=0A=09=09 
=0A= =09
=0A=09=092. We do not report true results
=0A=09
=0A=09=09= This is always a problem area. Some mad signal companies (and I have used t= hem) will report the profit as the max profit it hit during the trade so if= a signal spiked up 40pips and straight down in seconds and hit SL then the= y would report +40 Pips which is total rubbish. We report what we provide a= s a signal and advice but as we finish at 4PM London time and we have trade= rs from all over the world then people will achieve different pips. Yesterd= ay some traders told me they made +30 Pips on EURAUD while some people who = were sleeping while the signal was at +30 Pips would not have made any prof= it and would have made 0 Pips. (we will report this as 0 Pips anyway in our= weekly report). But if after 4PM a signal went within 1-2 pips of hitting = a TP and then reversed and hit our entry I would expect a large number of p= eople to have made a good profit from it and would report this as a range b= ased on lowest to highest. We also have access to some clients accounts and we use these as reference to see what profit people achieved.= These 5 people are based around the world and gives us a good snapshot of = the signals. I know some people won't agree with this but this we find is t= he best reflection of the service and the profit available
=0A=09
= =0A=09=09 
=0A=09
=0A=09=093. People claiming to blow their a= ccounts
=0A=09
=0A=09=09I have had 1 person claim he has lost all = his account following our signals over the past 4 weeks. As we had pretty m= uch a breakeven week last week based on % and average about 10 signals a we= ek then that would mean he has blown his account in 30 trades of which abou= t 6-8 hit SL and rest were SL AT ENTRY or PROFIT. So although it is possibl= e he has, he must be risking 20-30% per trade but please please use good mo= ney management. I have added the money management guide again for people. I= ts not a perfect guide but it gives a guide to what you should be trading p= er signals, don't trade the same lot size per signal as our GOLD signal can= have up to 200pips SL while an USDJPY can have only 30 Pips SL, adjust acc= ordingly. Its really frustrating when somebody says "oh that was a big lose= r", it should be a 2% loser (some people may trade higher with 3 or 4% thou= gh). 
=0A=09
=0A=09=09 
=0A=09
=0A=09=094. Peop= le claiming almost all our signal hit SL recently
=0A=09
=0A=09=09= It came to my attention yesterday that some people are getting mixed up wit= h HIT SL & HIT SL AT ENTRY. If a signal hits SL then its a loser, if it= hits SL AT ENTRY then its a breakeven trade as we have moved our SL to ent= ry so no loss can occur. Please keep an eye on our updates as we tend to mo= ve SL TO ENTRY after about 25-30Pips to avoid any loss
=0A=09
=0A= =09=09 
=0A=09
=0A=09=095 Not posting signals on  Facebo= ok etc
=0A=09
=0A=09=09Unfortunately there is the very very odd oc= casion where a signal did not go out on FB but we all know FB can crash som= etimes and I click post and move on to something else and then see it did n= ot post and refresh and nothing happens but this is the very odd occasion a= nd should not be a problem
=0A=09
=0A=09=09 
=0A=09
= =0A=09=096. The Free week
=0A=09
=0A=09=09People are not being aut= obilled by PP so are getting a free week and this will also continue for ev= eryone else so I hope this covers the lack of service last week
=0A=09=
=0A=09=09 
=0A=09
=0A=09=097. GOLD SERVICE
=0A=09=0A=09=09As the service is just 1 email a day and no updates are sent th= en please manage the signals yourself. We do use larger SL & TP but as = you can see the market is very volatile at the moment and trades are going = into profit and swinging into loss so move SL TO ENTRY after about 30 Pips = if possible and close when you like.
=0A=09
=0A=09=09 
= =0A=09
=0A=09=098. Skype group
=0A=09
=0A=09=09Please keep the= skype chat upbeat and if you have a problem speak to Admin direct when he = is online (sometimes he may appear offline but just message him and he shou= ld come online during London trading hours). I have noticed 1-2 people gett= ing frustrated with the signals and their own trading which I totally agree= with but please don't take it out on fellow people in the group. The skype= rules are in the welcome emails you received.
=0A=09
=0A=09=09&nb= sp;
=0A=09
=0A=09=09I hope this clears up most things. If you have= any questions then please let me know and thanks everybody for their patie= nce and hopefully in coming days and weeks we will make some good pips=0A=09
=0A=09=09 
=0A=09
=0A=09=09Thanks
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