Return-path: Envelope-to: admin@4xpips.net Delivery-date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 11:05:33 -0400 Received: from mail-we0-f171.google.com ([74.125.82.171]:33618) by host.silverbacklabs.net with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UUeme-0004gJ-BM for admin@4xpips.net; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 11:05:28 -0400 Received: by mail-we0-f171.google.com with SMTP id i48so700165wef.30 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 08:05:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id :mime-version:content-type:x-mailer:thread-index:content-language :x-antivirus:x-antivirus-status:x-gm-message-state; bh=zFB3kTxbj7VNCPVaTATuc3xtkxTBWVtvvp7GjuP1e04=; b=lvoUtM5HDPM70dnSkg/4GjQxATqjiWLR8bRBMhaSdMiZU67mr6hoLyP6L7ZvYviwm9 pHUIIVn6Ij1gFOm4MAUgzzPrAdQnhPoHbn5CtWURWXgnX+U80z8kbvBIhbsEF52UNkMk XsTfr0SzSqNDEu4U3rKRZ7SKtA2eciAHkCTfCgheB15L/0ac+1B2uzZfwEII62hZB5Fk CmA//H7jkmMvHl5u4G8+GThrh3okMCxaDDAB9BYutGEcT0jM6UMXKf6s450E72DS5u9P uHxTX23I6jXg3yWK2PYVlc3gHtEA72jF9pOaI5IbYb72SWj5cMG8RxDm1shKW5FyaGbL yaXw== X-Received: by 10.180.39.207 with SMTP id r15mr23874473wik.16.1366729515603; Tue, 23 Apr 2013 08:05:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from GrahamPC ([90.197.173.143]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id o5sm29469629wix.3.2013.04.23.08.05.13 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 23 Apr 2013 08:05:14 -0700 (PDT) From: "Cash Master" To: "'4x Pips'" References: <6ca841cc9237689a092c20df349a47e1@www.4xpips.net> <000f01cdfaf7$87292860$957b7920$@com> <009d01cdfd4c$8c5a91a0$a50fb4e0$@com> In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: Contact Form Submission from Graham Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 16:05:06 +0100 Message-ID: <002801ce4033$f1a168c0$d4e43a40$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0029_01CE403C.5365D0C0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac392mkB35YwvdzfR1mOG0sQYL4D+hCWN4AQ Content-Language: en-gb X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 130423-0, 23/04/2013), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkt71catUPKNnrqQHZ5bq5GPkv07zeUuP2ATi0niZsvxAq8KAD7oI8E4VOPp3qCn+qyLbW+ This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01CE403C.5365D0C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kilion, I've just checked the site and notice you have put the other payment options back in! This means you are deliberately attempting to bypass affiliate commissions and hoping I wouldn't notice. This is a shame as the review is going really well and we were due to promote this at the end of the month which would have meant substantial sales. Unfortunately this will mean the review will have to be failed and a warning sent to my substantial readership that you are scammers. Why do people like you let greed ruin a potentially lucrative business? Graham From: silverbacklabs@gmail.com [mailto:silverbacklabs@gmail.com] On Behalf Of 4x Pips Sent: 29 January 2013 04:38 To: Cash Master Subject: Re: Contact Form Submission from Graham Hi Graham, Thanks for the feedback. This is the first time we have used Clickbank and we are taking your concerns seriously. I have completely removed PayPal and details of other payment methods from the subscribe page. It will now stay that way. We want to build some good partnerships with affiliates and I believe you are right about what you said. The benefit of PayPal is that we can use coupon codes when we want to give a discount to our list.. unfortunately Clickbank don't offer that flexibility. Anyway, I hope you realise that we are responsive to our affiliates and willing to take on any other suggestions you have. Many thanks, Kilion On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 6:42 PM, Cash Master wrote: I've tested my link and it still goes to the main site. http://cashmast.4expips.hop.clickbank.net If you want me as an affiliate (or any other serious affiliates) you can only have permanent affiliate payment options, you can't offer it on a 14 day basis. This is because most affiliates, myself included, bring in evergreen sales (all year round, not just one off promotions). You clearly are not experienced working with affiliates so I'll give it a miss. Cheers Graham From: silverbacklabs@gmail.com [mailto:silverbacklabs@gmail.com] On Behalf Of 4x Pips Sent: 27 January 2013 16:36 To: Cash Master Subject: Re: Contact Form Submission from Graham Hi Graham, You are right that is an issue... sorry. I have created a new sign-up page that only has clickbank that you can send to your list (http://www.4xpips.net/secure/signup/index/c/T7Lwh8hwy). Alternatively I can remove all other payment options for 7 to 14 days from when you send out an email to your list - so their only option is CB. We have some clients (from africa) who are not allowed access to PayPal or ClickBank so for them we have set up other options - MoneyBookers, Liberty Reserve and Western Union... but again I can remove this info for you for a set period of time. I am considering completely removing PP from the site altogether as we have had trouble with them before and to be honest would like to keep auto payments away from them. If we can gain a few good affiliates then that is an easy choice to make. I think removing the other payment options will be fairest for you. Let me know what you want to do and I will do the necessary. Best wishes, Kilion On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 7:28 PM, Cash Master wrote: Hi Kilion, Unfortunately you have set up your site so that affiliates can be bypassed. Customers can choose to pay by Paypal (or Moneybookers, Liberty Reserve et al.) which means I wouldn't get paid if anyone chose that option. Or rather I ONLY get paid if they choose Clickbank. This is NOT how you set up a site for affiliates. Thanks Graham From: silverbacklabs@gmail.com [mailto:silverbacklabs@gmail.com] On Behalf Of admin Sent: 23 January 2013 07:32 To: admin@cash-master.com Subject: Re: Contact Form Submission from Graham Hi Graham, Are you still interested in working with us as an affiliate? Our affiliate program is now live and we are offering a generous residual commission to our partners. More information and instructions on our website at - http://www.4xpips.net/affiliates/ We now have myfxbooks 3rd party verification as well. Let me know if there is anything I can do to help you.. i.e. provide any other info. Best wishes, Kilion 4x Pips ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Graham Date: Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 5:37 PM Subject: Contact Form Submission from Graham To: support@4xpips.net Name: Graham Email: admin@cash-master.com Comments: Please contact me when you are ready for affiliates. I have a very responsive list. Thanks Graham ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01CE403C.5365D0C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Kilion,

 

I’ve just checked the site and notice you have put the other = payment options back in!

 

This means you are deliberately attempting to bypass affiliate = commissions and hoping I wouldn’t notice.

 

This is a shame as the review is going really well and we were due to = promote this at the end of the month which would have meant substantial = sales.

 

Unfortunately this will mean the review will have to be failed and a = warning sent to my substantial readership that you are = scammers.

 

Why do people like you let greed ruin a potentially lucrative = business?

 

Graham

 

From:= = silverbacklabs@gmail.com [mailto:silverbacklabs@gmail.com] On Behalf = Of 4x Pips
Sent: 29 January 2013 04:38
To: Cash = Master
Subject: Re: Contact Form Submission from = Graham

 

Hi = Graham,

 

Thanks for the feedback. This is the first time we = have used Clickbank and we are taking your concerns seriously. I = have completely removed PayPal and details of other payment methods from = the subscribe page. It will now stay that way. We want to build = some good partnerships with affiliates and I believe you are right = about what you said.

 

The benefit of PayPal is that we can use coupon codes = when we want to give a discount to our list.. unfortunately Clickbank = don't offer that flexibility.

 

Anyway, I hope you realise that we = are responsive to our affiliates and willing to take on any = other suggestions you have.

 

Many thanks,

Kilion

 

 

 

On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 6:42 PM, Cash Master <admin@cash-master.com> = wrote:

I’ve tested my link and it still goes to the main = site.

 

http://cashmast.4expips.hop.clickbank.net

 

If you want me as an affiliate (or any other serious affiliates) you = can only have permanent affiliate payment options, you can’t offer = it on a 14 day basis. This is because most affiliates, myself included, = bring in evergreen sales (all year round,  not just one off = promotions).

 

You clearly are not experienced working with affiliates so I’ll = give it  a miss.

 

Cheers

 

Graham

 

From:= silverbacklabs@gmail.com [mailto:silverbacklabs@gmail.com] On Behalf Of 4x = Pips
Sent: 27 January 2013 16:36
To: Cash = Master


Subject: Re: Contact Form Submission from = Graham

 <= /o:p>

Hi = Graham,

 <= /o:p>

 <= /p>

On Fri, Jan = 25, 2013 at 7:28 PM, Cash Master <admin@cash-master.com> = wrote:

Hi Kilion,

 

Unfortunately you have set up your site so that affiliates can be = bypassed.

 

Customers can choose to pay by Paypal (or Moneybookers, Liberty = Reserve et al.) which means I wouldn’t get paid if anyone chose = that option. Or rather I ONLY get paid if they choose = Clickbank.

 

This is NOT how you set up a site for = affiliates.

 

Thanks

 

Graham

 

From:= silverbacklabs@gmail.com [mailto:silverbacklabs@gmail.com] On Behalf Of = admin
Sent: 23 January 2013 07:32
To: admin@cash-master.com
Subject: Re: = Contact Form Submission from Graham

 <= /o:p>

Hi = Graham,

 <= /o:p>

Are you = still interested in working with us as an = affiliate?

 <= /o:p>

Our = affiliate program is now live and we are offering a generous = residual commission to our partners. More information and = instructions on our website at - http://www.4xpips.net/affiliates/ <= /p>

 <= /o:p>

We now have = myfxbooks 3rd party verification as well. Let me know if there is = anything I can do to help you.. i.e. provide any other = info. 

 <= /o:p>

Best = wishes,

Kilion<= /o:p>

4x = Pips

 <= /o:p>

 <= /o:p>

 <= /o:p>

---------- = Forwarded message ----------
From: Graham <admin@cash-master.com>
Date: Tue, Oct 2, = 2012 at 5:37 PM
Subject: Contact Form Submission from Graham
To: = support@4xpips.net


Name: = Graham

Email: admin@cash-master.com

Comments: Please = contact me when you are ready for affiliates. I have a very responsive = list.

Thanks

Graham

 <= /o:p>

 <= /o:p>

 <= /o:p>

 

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