Return-path: Envelope-to: admin@4xpips.net Delivery-date: Sun, 28 Apr 2013 04:51:19 -0400 Received: from mail-we0-f171.google.com ([74.125.82.171]:43811) by host.silverbacklabs.net with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UWNKJ-00055p-2X for admin@4xpips.net; Sun, 28 Apr 2013 04:51:19 -0400 Received: by mail-we0-f171.google.com with SMTP id t57so2738682wey.16 for ; Sun, 28 Apr 2013 01:51:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer :in-reply-to:message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding :mime-version:x-gm-message-state; bh=fzwNqfZOHtMIC9tyE8KDv4hRdauSh77uYyoKhtVy6bg=; b=LF05cV5iGMvqQNj3fmUNj5fUexL8tKosfS7sVgsxGetR1Hr2pfhp5Qcj7k2wj+vRkv Msz6fD6rk5VEW/znO+PRmfJia6QTlhnXo+iWSeUVE+i8A20G9F4gDnxjYL0tJ0BnYXgs wbrXGulePR9sTUW2xzd1ppgCyc+zl2ml2UIHDCpCT75sF7zQS3e7j8032TPgLqWCYfTm aWETJOy9ZOlfMRUKDM09FXrqxGSu3UIAv48wLA2WZSSIz9BLUZRITMEakvq/SaILzCIr prwrEFzvWAOLERKFwcsMFRxzDoog7Hn964YK1ko7bSb4DZTBbiQoeM6tVbt5uoEdQNqE +jpg== X-Received: by 10.194.158.4 with SMTP id wq4mr80667554wjb.46.1367139071335; Sun, 28 Apr 2013 01:51:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.3] ([90.197.173.143]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id e8sm7459415wic.5.2013.04.28.01.51.08 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 28 Apr 2013 01:51:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Contact Form Submission from Graham References: <6ca841cc9237689a092c20df349a47e1@www.4xpips.net> <000f01cdfaf7$87292860$957b7920$@com> <009d01cdfd4c$8c5a91a0$a50fb4e0$@com> <002801ce4033$f1a168c0$d4e43a40$@com> From: Graham Laurie Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 X-Mailer: iPad Mail (10B329) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <4C5A412B-B1F7-4C94-A94D-72663A9914EE@cash-master.com> Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2013 09:51:03 +0100 To: 4x Pips Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmT9n90O/aCYA1U036uQN6lovEaLxwT4HqCIh25dt5wMi8D6dP9d23uBZcDdqND5InTNTpf I already told Kilion that you would get the majority of sign ups when we do= the review but that if the test period did well that you would start to see= significant sign ups during it too. Clearly when the test started to go wel= l you put the other payment options back in and therefore the clients I was s= ending started to sign up using Paypal. The fact that you did it without inf= orming me is the smoking gun. So you've been getting free traffic from my site, made money from me and dec= ided to rip me off for the privilege. If you prefer Paypal then it's a simple matter of using an affiliate program= that integrates with Paypal. But then you wouldn't be able to steal from af= filiates. It's scam artists like you that give the Internet a bad name and you can be s= ure I will be publicising this.=20 On 28 Apr 2013, at 09:04, 4x Pips wrote: > Hi Graham, >=20 > Sorry I missed your email. Its Martin here, Kilion has now moved on. > It was me who requested the addition of the PP button again as we went > almost 25 days without a single new client which is unheard of in our > business, since we re-added the new PP we are back on track with new > clients daily. The problem we found is people are not familiar with > clickbank only and a new system etc so don't bother signing up (as you > know so much forex is regarded as scam so anything people are not > familiar with they do not trust then they refuse to chance it). We > assessed what clients you were providing and at the time it was 1 I > think (and about 4 since) and we could not let our business suffer so > I ordered for the PP to be put back in. >=20 > At no time was it added to re-route clients away from you or for greed > purposes so to be honest I don't like the way you infer that was why I > did it or calling us scammers >=20 > So if you can think of anyway around it, let us know as we are happy > for this arrangement to continue but I am sure you can see why we had > to take the action we did >=20 > Thanks >=20 > On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 4:05 PM, Cash Master wrote= : >> Kilion, >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> I=E2=80=99ve just checked the site and notice you have put the other paym= ent options >> back in! >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> This means you are deliberately attempting to bypass affiliate commission= s >> and hoping I wouldn=E2=80=99t notice. >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> This is a shame as the review is going really well and we were due to >> promote this at the end of the month which would have meant substantial >> sales. >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> Unfortunately this will mean the review will have to be failed and a warn= ing >> sent to my substantial readership that you are scammers. >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> Why do people like you let greed ruin a potentially lucrative business? >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> Graham >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> From: silverbacklabs@gmail.com [mailto:silverbacklabs@gmail.com] On Behal= f >> Of 4x Pips >>=20 >>=20 >> Sent: 29 January 2013 04:38 >> To: Cash Master >> Subject: Re: Contact Form Submission from Graham >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> Hi Graham, >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> Thanks for the feedback. This is the first time we have used Clickbank an= d >> we are taking your concerns seriously. I have completely removed PayPal a= nd >> details of other payment methods from the subscribe page. It will now sta= y >> that way. We want to build some good partnerships with affiliates and I >> believe you are right about what you said. >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> The benefit of PayPal is that we can use coupon codes when we want to giv= e a >> discount to our list.. unfortunately Clickbank don't offer that flexibili= ty. >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> Anyway, I hope you realise that we are responsive to our affiliates and >> willing to take on any other suggestions you have. >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> Many thanks, >>=20 >> Kilion >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 6:42 PM, Cash Master wrot= e: >>=20 >> I=E2=80=99ve tested my link and it still goes to the main site. >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> http://cashmast.4expips.hop.clickbank.net >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> If you want me as an affiliate (or any other serious affiliates) you can >> only have permanent affiliate payment options, you can=E2=80=99t offer it= on a 14 >> day basis. This is because most affiliates, myself included, bring in >> evergreen sales (all year round, not just one off promotions). >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> You clearly are not experienced working with affiliates so I=E2=80=99ll g= ive it a >> miss. >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> Cheers >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> Graham >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> From: silverbacklabs@gmail.com [mailto:silverbacklabs@gmail.com] On Behal= f >> Of 4x Pips >> Sent: 27 January 2013 16:36 >> To: Cash Master >>=20 >>=20 >> Subject: Re: Contact Form Submission from Graham >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> Hi Graham, >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> You are right that is an issue... sorry. I have created a new sign-up pag= e >> that only has clickbank that you can send to your list >> (http://www.4xpips.net/secure/signup/index/c/T7Lwh8hwy). Alternatively I c= an >> remove all other payment options for 7 to 14 days from when you send out a= n >> email to your list - so their only option is CB. We have some clients (fr= om >> africa) who are not allowed access to PayPal or ClickBank so for them we >> have set up other options - MoneyBookers, Liberty Reserve and Western >> Union... but again I can remove this info for you for a set period of tim= e. >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> I am considering completely removing PP from the site altogether as we ha= ve >> had trouble with them before and to be honest would like to keep auto >> payments away from them. If we can gain a few good affiliates then that i= s >> an easy choice to make. >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> I think removing the other payment options will be fairest for you. Let m= e >> know what you want to do and I will do the necessary. >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> Best wishes, >> Kilion >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 7:28 PM, Cash Master wrot= e: >>=20 >> Hi Kilion, >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> Unfortunately you have set up your site so that affiliates can be bypasse= d. >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> Customers can choose to pay by Paypal (or Moneybookers, Liberty Reserve e= t >> al.) which means I wouldn=E2=80=99t get paid if anyone chose that option.= Or rather >> I ONLY get paid if they choose Clickbank. >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> This is NOT how you set up a site for affiliates. >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> Thanks >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> Graham >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> From: silverbacklabs@gmail.com [mailto:silverbacklabs@gmail.com] On Behal= f >> Of admin >> Sent: 23 January 2013 07:32 >> To: admin@cash-master.com >> Subject: Re: Contact Form Submission from Graham >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> Hi Graham, >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> Are you still interested in working with us as an affiliate? >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> Our affiliate program is now live and we are offering a generous residual= >> commission to our partners. More information and instructions on our webs= ite >> at - http://www.4xpips.net/affiliates/ >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> We now have myfxbooks 3rd party verification as well. Let me know if ther= e >> is anything I can do to help you.. i.e. provide any other info. >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> Best wishes, >>=20 >> Kilion >>=20 >> 4x Pips >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: Graham >> Date: Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 5:37 PM >> Subject: Contact Form Submission from Graham >> To: support@4xpips.net >>=20 >>=20 >> Name: Graham >>=20 >> Email: admin@cash-master.com >>=20 >> Comments: Please contact me when you are ready for affiliates. I have a v= ery >> responsive list. >>=20 >> Thanks >>=20 >> Graham >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20