Return-path: Envelope-to: admin@4xpips.net Delivery-date: Sun, 28 Apr 2013 07:15:59 -0400 Received: from mail-wi0-f179.google.com ([209.85.212.179]:56066) by host.silverbacklabs.net with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UWPaJ-0006MA-9l for admin@4xpips.net; Sun, 28 Apr 2013 07:15:59 -0400 Received: by mail-wi0-f179.google.com with SMTP id l13so1913883wie.6 for ; Sun, 28 Apr 2013 04:15:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer :thread-index:content-language:x-antivirus:x-antivirus-status :x-gm-message-state; bh=bz6woqOXam5CjsE4o+4YeLgPjKn0xbrEymmqg5r1aoU=; b=n03vjvoprgrS9/tZOxhuoKU7gu7k+RcwAKj518x0nKHT3dksDNszhu0Ah24rXQ9+YC NgZgEwUwa0NVxlZoXntaVit9KaLilkp4Ra0iLKlF3GWD7UlBhr4oqQWGYR1cT+JoqmDh b0PFkCkU7dfuUPO8fa77YNEGb1F9qQ9Ju0UDPy9LFNN06Ds7sEsJJPsoopSGU/M0t7tA 4MYs6MWyuom/x02YcTIYicV+k7x+Ooatp3uNxtJQm/d+OImcOkaS+nPhKdMOoDRzSuht pKnW4C8zU34ATagtEOVGtUsdB2FuwnKqfDe+1NHAuKtj7bXlS6YINNn/MThIIKFzsizQ hGeA== X-Received: by 10.194.93.231 with SMTP id cx7mr29511331wjb.33.1367147751341; Sun, 28 Apr 2013 04:15:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from GrahamPC ([90.197.173.143]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id fa6sm10262694wic.9.2013.04.28.04.15.49 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 28 Apr 2013 04:15:50 -0700 (PDT) From: "Cash Master" To: "'4x Pips'" References: <6ca841cc9237689a092c20df349a47e1@www.4xpips.net> <000f01cdfaf7$87292860$957b7920$@com> <009d01cdfd4c$8c5a91a0$a50fb4e0$@com> <002801ce4033$f1a168c0$d4e43a40$@com> <4C5A412B-B1F7-4C94-A94D-72663A9914EE@cash-master.com> In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: Contact Form Submission from Graham Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2013 12:15:48 +0100 Message-ID: <004301ce4401$bcf39860$36dac920$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac5D8bosS+19rj9tTrmUD6G2OpxWwAAD6uEQ Content-Language: en-gb X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 130427-1, 27/04/2013), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnBc7miwYw/vkVjATVNJaIIuwoDyw+nR21WQPLLOd3mqRyox+2ZORqobPNT+u/Q0rD96Ile You're telling me that it didn't occur to you that having Paypal subscription buttons and other payment options that bypass affiliates wouldn't perhaps bother the affiliates sending you traffic? How would you feel about sending quality traffic to a site and then finding out they had changed the payment processor without informing you so that you would not get paid for your efforts? Think. -----Original Message----- From: 4x Pips [mailto:admin@4xpips.net] Sent: 28 April 2013 10:21 To: Graham Laurie Subject: Re: Contact Form Submission from Graham Hey Graham Calm down and have a think about what your saying here. I have never dealt with you and nevr spoken to you, I speak to Arthur direct and to be honest I thought Arthur was the main guy in this operation. Kilion left our company for personal reasons a few weeks ago, to be honest he hasn't really being doing anything the past 2 months and I am doing the majortiy of work now to keep things running until we get a new marketing/IT guy in so as I said when I saw we had no new clients coming in I went straight back to PP without even thinking abut you because as I said you had given us 1 client and I never read or really seen your emails betwen you and kilion So stop the use of your words scam, scam artists and stealing andr think what you are saying and come back to me with a sensible solution and we can talk As I said i have been dealing with Arthur and getting on well with him and this is my first contact with you and i am disapointed as i have a very good relatonship with arthur On Sun, Apr 28, 2013 at 9:51 AM, Graham Laurie wrote: > I already told Kilion that you would get the majority of sign ups when we do the review but that if the test period did well that you would start to see significant sign ups during it too. Clearly when the test started to go well you put the other payment options back in and therefore the clients I was sending started to sign up using Paypal. The fact that you did it without informing me is the smoking gun. > > So you've been getting free traffic from my site, made money from me and decided to rip me off for the privilege. > > If you prefer Paypal then it's a simple matter of using an affiliate program that integrates with Paypal. But then you wouldn't be able to steal from affiliates. > > It's scam artists like you that give the Internet a bad name and you can be sure I will be publicising this. > > > On 28 Apr 2013, at 09:04, 4x Pips wrote: > >> Hi Graham, >> >> Sorry I missed your email. Its Martin here, Kilion has now moved on. >> It was me who requested the addition of the PP button again as we >> went almost 25 days without a single new client which is unheard of >> in our business, since we re-added the new PP we are back on track >> with new clients daily. The problem we found is people are not >> familiar with clickbank only and a new system etc so don't bother >> signing up (as you know so much forex is regarded as scam so anything >> people are not familiar with they do not trust then they refuse to >> chance it). We assessed what clients you were providing and at the >> time it was 1 I think (and about 4 since) and we could not let our >> business suffer so I ordered for the PP to be put back in. >> >> At no time was it added to re-route clients away from you or for >> greed purposes so to be honest I don't like the way you infer that >> was why I did it or calling us scammers >> >> So if you can think of anyway around it, let us know as we are happy >> for this arrangement to continue but I am sure you can see why we had >> to take the action we did >> >> Thanks >> >> On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 4:05 PM, Cash Master wrote: >>> Kilion, >>> >>> >>> >>> I've just checked the site and notice you have put the other payment >>> options back in! >>> >>> >>> >>> This means you are deliberately attempting to bypass affiliate >>> commissions and hoping I wouldn't notice. >>> >>> >>> >>> This is a shame as the review is going really well and we were due >>> to promote this at the end of the month which would have meant >>> substantial sales. >>> >>> >>> >>> Unfortunately this will mean the review will have to be failed and a >>> warning sent to my substantial readership that you are scammers. >>> >>> >>> >>> Why do people like you let greed ruin a potentially lucrative business? >>> >>> >>> >>> Graham >>> >>> >>> >>> From: silverbacklabs@gmail.com [mailto:silverbacklabs@gmail.com] On >>> Behalf Of 4x Pips >>> >>> >>> Sent: 29 January 2013 04:38 >>> To: Cash Master >>> Subject: Re: Contact Form Submission from Graham >>> >>> >>> >>> Hi Graham, >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks for the feedback. This is the first time we have used >>> Clickbank and we are taking your concerns seriously. I have >>> completely removed PayPal and details of other payment methods from >>> the subscribe page. It will now stay that way. We want to build some >>> good partnerships with affiliates and I believe you are right about what you said. >>> >>> >>> >>> The benefit of PayPal is that we can use coupon codes when we want >>> to give a discount to our list.. unfortunately Clickbank don't offer that flexibility. >>> >>> >>> >>> Anyway, I hope you realise that we are responsive to our affiliates >>> and willing to take on any other suggestions you have. >>> >>> >>> >>> Many thanks, >>> >>> Kilion >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 6:42 PM, Cash Master wrote: >>> >>> I've tested my link and it still goes to the main site. >>> >>> >>> >>> http://cashmast.4expips.hop.clickbank.net >>> >>> >>> >>> If you want me as an affiliate (or any other serious affiliates) you >>> can only have permanent affiliate payment options, you can't offer >>> it on a 14 day basis. This is because most affiliates, myself >>> included, bring in evergreen sales (all year round, not just one off promotions). >>> >>> >>> >>> You clearly are not experienced working with affiliates so I'll give >>> it a miss. >>> >>> >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> >>> >>> Graham >>> >>> >>> >>> From: silverbacklabs@gmail.com [mailto:silverbacklabs@gmail.com] On >>> Behalf Of 4x Pips >>> Sent: 27 January 2013 16:36 >>> To: Cash Master >>> >>> >>> Subject: Re: Contact Form Submission from Graham >>> >>> >>> >>> Hi Graham, >>> >>> >>> >>> You are right that is an issue... sorry. I have created a new >>> sign-up page that only has clickbank that you can send to your list >>> (http://www.4xpips.net/secure/signup/index/c/T7Lwh8hwy). >>> Alternatively I can remove all other payment options for 7 to 14 >>> days from when you send out an email to your list - so their only >>> option is CB. We have some clients (from >>> africa) who are not allowed access to PayPal or ClickBank so for >>> them we have set up other options - MoneyBookers, Liberty Reserve >>> and Western Union... but again I can remove this info for you for a set period of time. >>> >>> >>> >>> I am considering completely removing PP from the site altogether as >>> we have had trouble with them before and to be honest would like to >>> keep auto payments away from them. If we can gain a few good >>> affiliates then that is an easy choice to make. >>> >>> >>> >>> I think removing the other payment options will be fairest for you. >>> Let me know what you want to do and I will do the necessary. >>> >>> >>> >>> Best wishes, >>> Kilion >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 7:28 PM, Cash Master wrote: >>> >>> Hi Kilion, >>> >>> >>> >>> Unfortunately you have set up your site so that affiliates can be bypassed. >>> >>> >>> >>> Customers can choose to pay by Paypal (or Moneybookers, Liberty >>> Reserve et >>> al.) which means I wouldn't get paid if anyone chose that option. Or >>> rather I ONLY get paid if they choose Clickbank. >>> >>> >>> >>> This is NOT how you set up a site for affiliates. >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> >>> >>> Graham >>> >>> >>> >>> From: silverbacklabs@gmail.com [mailto:silverbacklabs@gmail.com] On >>> Behalf Of admin >>> Sent: 23 January 2013 07:32 >>> To: admin@cash-master.com >>> Subject: Re: Contact Form Submission from Graham >>> >>> >>> >>> Hi Graham, >>> >>> >>> >>> Are you still interested in working with us as an affiliate? >>> >>> >>> >>> Our affiliate program is now live and we are offering a generous >>> residual commission to our partners. More information and >>> instructions on our website at - http://www.4xpips.net/affiliates/ >>> >>> >>> >>> We now have myfxbooks 3rd party verification as well. Let me know if >>> there is anything I can do to help you.. i.e. provide any other info. >>> >>> >>> >>> Best wishes, >>> >>> Kilion >>> >>> 4x Pips >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>> From: Graham >>> Date: Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 5:37 PM >>> Subject: Contact Form Submission from Graham >>> To: support@4xpips.net >>> >>> >>> Name: Graham >>> >>> Email: admin@cash-master.com >>> >>> Comments: Please contact me when you are ready for affiliates. I >>> have a very responsive list. >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> Graham >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>