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From: Mike Rickards <mike.rickards@zoticus.co.uk>
To: 4x Pips <admin@4xpips.net>
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 13:13:26 -0500
Subject: RE: CHANGE TO SERVICE
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Hello Martin

Did you process the refund ?

Regards

Mike

Sent 29th Oct. 2012
Hello Martin

I don't believe that since I signed up with the service it has performed as=
 I would have expected.

Whilst I appreciate that you were taken gravely ill for a number of days at=
 the "start of my service", I didn't expect the service to simply reply upo=
n one person.

I've no doubt that TCi (whoever that is) is a capable trader, but at presen=
t I'm not convinced.

Consequently, a refund at this juncture is appropriate.

Maybe as a way to reconcile this can be achieved as follows: A two-week tri=
al period with TCi commencing from the 1st November.

My reservation is "who is TCi" and will "TCi" make this the same successful=
 business it was under your stewardship; and whop covers for TCi when he is=
 ill.

Sincerest regards

Mike

Col. Mike Rickards
Zoticus
T. +44  (0) 7885 436380

From: 4x Pips [mailto:admin@4xpips.net]
Sent: 29 October 2012 09:45
To: Mike Rickards
Subject: Re: CHANGE TO SERVICE

Hi Mike

Can I ask why you asked for the refund? I can assure you the service will n=
ot harmed in any way and in my opinion this will make the service better an=
d give more pip per month. I am certain of that. So if you are concenred ab=
out me leaving and the service changing then please don't be, i can persona=
lly guaarntee I would not let anything bad to the service but I am happy to=
 let TCi take over as it will beneficial for all

Thanks
Martin
On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 4:04 PM, Mike Rickards <mike.rickards@zoticus.co.uk=
<mailto:mike.rickards@zoticus.co.uk>> wrote:
Hello Martin

This is quite shocking and not exactly what I signed up for when the offer =
was posted on FPA.

I have requested a full refund via PayPal and I hope you get these issues r=
esolved. I was also frankly shocked to read that people had made personal t=
hreats towards you.

I wish you all the best.

Regards
Col. Mike Rickards
Zoticus

On 27 Oct 2012, at 14:13, "4x Pips" <admin@4xpips.net<mailto:admin@4xpips.n=
et>> wrote:

Hi all

It is with great regret that I have decided to step aside at 4X Pips after =
4 fantastic years. Unfortunately the past 1-2 months the signals have not b=
een the best, even though the last week we are back to some profit,  and pe=
ople who have recently joined have decided to target a lot of anger and abu=
se directly at me. Recently I have had personal threats, had blatant lies t=
old about me, people posting untrue facts about me and my private live and =
had people creating fake Facebook profiles to try and befriend me on FB and=
 check into my private and personal life. For everyone who knows me through=
 the group or knows me personally and knows the service for more than 3 mon=
ths they will know that I have always worked hard (16 hour days sometimes) =
to give people a reliable, honest and fair signal service. Its just unfortu=
nate that we have had a losing few weeks after the FPA offer and new websit=
e.

Its also unfortunate that from the 100's of clients (and 1000's over the pa=
st few years) that its only 4-5 people who made it personal against me and =
decided to target me direct. So for that reason I am stepping aside as it m=
eans someone else can step in and run the service better without this level=
 of abuse and personal attacks.

So on that note, I have asked TCi who has been giving excellent pips over t=
he past 2 months in the skype group to take over. He will have access to ou=
r other traders and it will be his decision whether to send the other trade=
rs signals out or hold them or adjust them. He will be available in the sky=
pe groups and you can ask for his help and support there. His signals and u=
pdates will be sent out as usual by email, twitter, twitter sms and faceboo=
k. In my opinion this will improve the signals and service and lead to good=
 pips and profits. I can honestly say if TCi was not available then I would=
 continue but I have known him for a long time now and am so impressed with=
 his signals and work that I am happy for him to provide the signals for 4X=
 Pips signals. All signals will still have entry, stop loss and TP and will=
 be similar to the signals we had this week with smaller SL's which will be=
 better. There will also be more major pairs such as EU, GU, AU & UC. Peopl=
e will see no change to the service, you will still get approx the same num=
ber of signals, sent the same way, TCi will be admin of the skype group and=
 email support will still be available from other admins. I may join the sk=
ype group as a client in the coming weeks and will be happy to chat to fell=
ow clients when I do

The admin side of things (such as questions about the service, any problems=
 you are having or  subscriptions) will be dealt with by the other admins i=
n the company. Also 1 person will now deal with all emails as we had some o=
ccurances where there was a number of us answering emails and missing email=
s so now 1 person deals with them and they aim to answer all emails within =
24hrs but they will aim for much faster during the London trading hours

Let me say that this is not a negative for 4X Pips and I honestly believe i=
t will help improve the pips and service and there is still plans for the 3=
rd party verification, autotrade and ipad/android apps and they will be wor=
ked on by the other admins shortly. Please keep an eye on the website for u=
pdates on the autotrade system especially. Of course some people will view =
this negatively (the 4-5 people above) and probably make some weird claims =
but when the service is being negatively affected by certain people and I a=
m finding my time taken up by these people and not with signals and clients=
 then its best I step aside.

Of course I still have some good friends and good people I met through this=
 service and will keep some of you as my personal FB friends. Some of you d=
o email me asking for advice on other issues and opinion on long term trade=
s so if you wish to still keep in touch then please email 4x pips here and =
they will give you my private email address and you can still email me when=
 you need free advice

So once again thanks everybody and I will still be available into start nex=
t week. So if you have any questions then please let me know before then.

Thanks again and happy trading
Martin

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<html xmlns:v=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o=3D"urn:schemas-micr=
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oft Word 14 (filtered medium)"><style></style></head><body lang=3DEN-GB link=3Dblue vli=
nk=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'f=
ont-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Hello Mar=
tin<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0=
pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cal=
ibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Did you process the refund ?<o:p></o:p></=
span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"=
Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=
=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-se=
rif";color:#1F497D'>Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span=
 style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D=
'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size=
:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Mike<o:p></o:p></=
span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"=
Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=
=3DMsoNormal><b><i><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","s=
ans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Sent 29<sup>th</sup> Oct. 2012<o:p></o:p></span><=
/i></b></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family=
:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Hello Martin<o:p></o:p></span></p><p=
 class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","s=
ans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>=
<span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1=
F497D'>I don&#8217;t believe that since I signed up with the service it has=
 performed as I would have expected.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNor=
mal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";colo=
r:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'=
font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Whilst I=
 appreciate that you were taken gravely ill for a number of days at the &#8=
220;start of my service&#8221;, I didn&#8217;t expect the service to simply=
 reply upon one person.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span sty=
le=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o=
:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.=
0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I&#8217;ve no doubt t=
hat TCi (whoever that is) is a capable trader, but at present I&#8217;m not=
 convinced.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-s=
ize:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o=
:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-fam=
ily:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Consequently, a refund at this ju=
ncture is appropriate.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span styl=
e=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:=
p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0=
pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Maybe as a way to reco=
ncile this can be achieved as follows: A two-week trial period with TCi com=
mencing from the 1<sup>st</sup> November.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DM=
soNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"=
;color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span styl=
e=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>My =
reservation is &#8220;who is TCi&#8221; and will &#8220;TCi&#8221; make thi=
s the same successful business it was under your stewardship; and whop cove=
rs for TCi when he is ill.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'=
><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:=
11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Sincerest regards<=
o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;f=
ont-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></=
p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri=
","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Mike<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNorma=
l><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:=
#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'fo=
nt-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Col. Mike =
Rickards<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size=
:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Zoticus<o:p></o:p=
></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-famil=
y:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>T. +44&nbsp; (0) 7885 436380<o:p></=
o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-fa=
mily:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p c=
lass=3DMsoNormal><b><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-famil=
y:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> 4x Pips [mailto:admin@4xpips=
.net] <br><b>Sent:</b> 29 October 2012 09:45<br><b>To:</b> Mike Rickards<br=
><b>Subject:</b> Re: CHANGE TO SERVICE<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoN=
ormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0=
pt'>Hi Mike<br><br>Can I ask why you asked for the refund? I can assure you=
 the service will not harmed in any way and in my opinion this will make th=
e service better and give more pip per month. I am certain of that. So if y=
ou are concenred about me leaving and the service changing then please don'=
t be, i can personally guaarntee I would not let anything bad to the servic=
e but I am happy to let TCi take over as it will beneficial for all<br><br>=
Thanks<br>Martin<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On Sun, Oct 28, 20=
12 at 4:04 PM, Mike Rickards &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mike.rickards@zoticus.co=
.uk" target=3D"_blank">mike.rickards@zoticus.co.uk</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p=
></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Hello Martin<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><=
p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Th=
is is quite shocking and not exactly what I signed up for when the offer wa=
s posted on FPA.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&=
nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>I have requested a full refu=
nd via PayPal and I hope you get these issues resolved. I was also frankly =
shocked to read that people had made personal threats towards you.&nbsp;<o:=
p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div=
><p class=3DMsoNormal>I wish you all the best.<br><br>Regards<o:p></o:p></p=
><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Col. Mike Rickards<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p c=
lass=3DMsoNormal>Zoticus<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=3DMsoNorma=
l style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>On 27 Oct 2012, at 14:13, &quot;4x Pip=
s&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:admin@4xpips.net" target=3D"_blank">admin@4xp=
ips.net</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style=3D'margin-top:=
5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans=
-serif"'>Hi all</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=
=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><di=
v><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>It =
is with great regret that I have decided to step aside at 4X Pips after 4 f=
antastic years. Unfortunately the past 1-2 months the signals have not been=
 the best, even though the last week we are back to some profit, &nbsp;and =
people who have recently joined have decided to target a lot of anger and a=
buse directly at me. Recently I have had personal threats, had blatant lies=
 told about me, people posting untrue facts about me and my private live an=
d had people creating fake Facebook profiles to try and befriend me on FB a=
nd check into my private and personal life. For everyone who knows me throu=
gh the group or knows me personally and knows the service for more than 3 m=
onths they will know that I have always worked hard (16 hour days sometimes=
) to give people a reliable, honest and fair signal service. Its just unfor=
tunate that we have had a losing few weeks after the FPA offer and new webs=
ite.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'fo=
nt-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p c=
lass=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Its also =
unfortunate that from the 100's of clients (and 1000's over the past few ye=
ars) that its only 4-5 people who made it personal against me and decided t=
o target me direct. So for that reason I am stepping aside as it means some=
one else can step in and run the service better without this level of abuse=
 and personal attacks.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMso=
Normal><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></=
span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial"=
,"sans-serif"'>So on that note, I have asked TCi who has been giving excell=
ent pips over the past 2 months in the skype group to take over. He will ha=
ve access to our other traders and it will be his decision whether to send =
the other traders signals out or hold them or adjust them. He will be avail=
able in the skype groups and you can ask for his help and support there. Hi=
s signals and updates will be sent out as usual by email, twitter, twitter =
sms and facebook. In my opinion this will improve the signals and service a=
nd lead to good pips and profits. I can honestly say if TCi was not availab=
le then I would continue but I have known him for a long time now and am so=
 impressed with his signals and work that I am happy for him to provide the=
 signals for 4X Pips signals. All signals will still have entry, stop loss =
and TP and will be similar to the signals we had this week with smaller SL'=
s which will be better. There will also be more major pairs such as EU, GU,=
 AU &amp; UC. People will see no change to the service, you will still get =
approx the same number of signals, sent the same way, TCi will be admin of =
the skype group and email support will still be available from other admins=
. I may join the skype group as a client in the coming weeks and will be ha=
ppy to chat to fellow clients when I do<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>&nbsp;<o=
:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-fam=
ily:"Arial","sans-serif"'>The admin side of things (such as questions about=
 the service, any problems you are having or &nbsp;subscriptions) will be d=
ealt with by the other admins in the company. Also 1 person will now deal w=
ith all emails as we had some occurances where there was a number of us ans=
wering emails and missing emails so now 1 person deals with them and they a=
im to answer all emails within 24hrs but they will aim for much faster duri=
ng the London trading hours<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoN=
ormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial",=
"sans-serif"'>Let me say that this is not a negative for 4X Pips and I hone=
stly believe it will help improve the pips and service and there is still p=
lans for the 3rd party verification, autotrade and ipad/android apps and th=
ey will be worked on by the other admins shortly. Please keep an eye on the=
 website for updates on the autotrade system especially. Of course some peo=
ple will view this negatively (the 4-5 people above) and probably make some=
 weird claims but when the service is being negatively affected by certain =
people and I am finding my time taken up by these people and not with signa=
ls and clients then its best I step aside.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div>=
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>&nbsp=
;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-=
family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Of course I still have some good friends and g=
ood people I met through this service and will keep some of you as my perso=
nal FB friends. Some of you do email me asking for advice on other issues a=
nd opinion on long term trades so if you wish to still keep in touch then p=
lease email 4x pips here and they will give you my private email address an=
d you can still email me when you need free advice<o:p></o:p></span></p></d=
iv><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif=
"'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=
=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>So once again thanks everybody and I =
will still be available into start next week. So if you have any questions =
then please let me know before then.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p cla=
ss=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>&nbsp;<o:p>=
</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family=
:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Thanks again and happy trading<o:p></o:p></span></p>=
</div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-se=
rif"'>Martin<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><spa=
n style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></=
div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span class=3Dhoenzb><span style=3D'font-family:"A=
rial","sans-serif";color:#888888'>--&nbsp;</span></span><span style=3D'font=
-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#888888'><br></span><span class=3Dhoenzb=
><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#003300'>4X PIPS TEA=
M</span></span><span class=3Dhoenzb><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial","san=
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