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Delivery-date: Sun, 28 Apr 2013 04:51:19 -0400
Subject: Re: Contact Form Submission from Graham
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From: Graham Laurie <admin@cash-master.com>
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Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2013 09:51:03 +0100
To: 4x Pips <admin@4xpips.net>
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I already told Kilion that you would get the majority of sign ups when we do=
 the review but that if the test period did well that you would start to see=
 significant sign ups during it too. Clearly when the test started to go wel=
l you put the other payment options back in and therefore the clients I was s=
ending started to sign up using Paypal. The fact that you did it without inf=
orming me is the smoking gun.

So you've been getting free traffic from my site, made money from me and dec=
ided to rip me off for the privilege.

If you prefer Paypal then it's a simple matter of using an affiliate program=
 that integrates with Paypal. But then you wouldn't be able to steal from af=
filiates.

It's scam artists like you that give the Internet a bad name and you can be s=
ure I will be publicising this.=20

On 28 Apr 2013, at 09:04, 4x Pips <admin@4xpips.net> wrote:

> Hi Graham,
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> Sorry I missed your email. Its Martin here, Kilion has now moved on.
> It was me who requested the addition of the PP button again as we went
> almost 25 days without a single new client which is unheard of in our
> business, since we re-added the new PP we are back on track with new
> clients daily. The problem we found is people are not familiar with
> clickbank only and a new system etc so don't bother signing up (as you
> know so much forex is regarded as scam so anything people are not
> familiar with they do not trust then they refuse to chance it). We
> assessed what clients you were providing and at the time it was 1 I
> think (and about 4 since) and we could not let our business suffer so
> I ordered for the PP to be put back in.
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> At no time was it added to re-route clients away from you or for greed
> purposes so to be honest I don't like the way you infer that was why I
> did it or calling us scammers
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> So if you can think of anyway around it, let us know as we are happy
> for this arrangement to continue but I am sure you can see why we had
> to take the action we did
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> Thanks
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> On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 4:05 PM, Cash Master <admin@cash-master.com> wrote=
:
>> Kilion,
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>> I=E2=80=99ve just checked the site and notice you have put the other paym=
ent options
>> back in!
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>> This means you are deliberately attempting to bypass affiliate commission=
s
>> and hoping I wouldn=E2=80=99t notice.
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>> This is a shame as the review is going really well and we were due to
>> promote this at the end of the month which would have meant substantial
>> sales.
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>> Unfortunately this will mean the review will have to be failed and a warn=
ing
>> sent to my substantial readership that you are scammers.
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>> Why do people like you let greed ruin a potentially lucrative business?
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>> Graham
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>> From: silverbacklabs@gmail.com [mailto:silverbacklabs@gmail.com] On Behal=
f
>> Of 4x Pips
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>> Sent: 29 January 2013 04:38
>> To: Cash Master
>> Subject: Re: Contact Form Submission from Graham
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>> Hi Graham,
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>> Thanks for the feedback. This is the first time we have used Clickbank an=
d
>> we are taking your concerns seriously. I have completely removed PayPal a=
nd
>> details of other payment methods from the subscribe page. It will now sta=
y
>> that way. We want to build some good partnerships with affiliates and I
>> believe you are right about what you said.
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>> The benefit of PayPal is that we can use coupon codes when we want to giv=
e a
>> discount to our list.. unfortunately Clickbank don't offer that flexibili=
ty.
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>> Anyway, I hope you realise that we are responsive to our affiliates and
>> willing to take on any other suggestions you have.
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>> Many thanks,
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>> Kilion
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>> On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 6:42 PM, Cash Master <admin@cash-master.com> wrot=
e:
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>> I=E2=80=99ve tested my link and it still goes to the main site.
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>> http://cashmast.4expips.hop.clickbank.net
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>> If you want me as an affiliate (or any other serious affiliates) you can
>> only have permanent affiliate payment options, you can=E2=80=99t offer it=
 on a 14
>> day basis. This is because most affiliates, myself included, bring in
>> evergreen sales (all year round,  not just one off promotions).
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>> You clearly are not experienced working with affiliates so I=E2=80=99ll g=
ive it  a
>> miss.
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>> Cheers
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>> Graham
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>> From: silverbacklabs@gmail.com [mailto:silverbacklabs@gmail.com] On Behal=
f
>> Of 4x Pips
>> Sent: 27 January 2013 16:36
>> To: Cash Master
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>> Subject: Re: Contact Form Submission from Graham
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>> Hi Graham,
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>> You are right that is an issue... sorry. I have created a new sign-up pag=
e
>> that only has clickbank that you can send to your list
>> (http://www.4xpips.net/secure/signup/index/c/T7Lwh8hwy). Alternatively I c=
an
>> remove all other payment options for 7 to 14 days from when you send out a=
n
>> email to your list - so their only option is CB. We have some clients (fr=
om
>> africa) who are not allowed access to PayPal or ClickBank so for them we
>> have set up other options - MoneyBookers, Liberty Reserve and Western
>> Union... but again I can remove this info for you for a set period of tim=
e.
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>> I am considering completely removing PP from the site altogether as we ha=
ve
>> had trouble with them before and to be honest would like to keep auto
>> payments away from them. If we can gain a few good affiliates then that i=
s
>> an easy choice to make.
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>> I think removing the other payment options will be fairest for you. Let m=
e
>> know what you want to do and I will do the necessary.
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>> Best wishes,
>> Kilion
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>> On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 7:28 PM, Cash Master <admin@cash-master.com> wrot=
e:
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>> Hi Kilion,
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>> Unfortunately you have set up your site so that affiliates can be bypasse=
d.
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>> Customers can choose to pay by Paypal (or Moneybookers, Liberty Reserve e=
t
>> al.) which means I wouldn=E2=80=99t get paid if anyone chose that option.=
 Or rather
>> I ONLY get paid if they choose Clickbank.
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>> This is NOT how you set up a site for affiliates.
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>> Thanks
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>> Graham
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>> From: silverbacklabs@gmail.com [mailto:silverbacklabs@gmail.com] On Behal=
f
>> Of admin
>> Sent: 23 January 2013 07:32
>> To: admin@cash-master.com
>> Subject: Re: Contact Form Submission from Graham
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>> Hi Graham,
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>> Are you still interested in working with us as an affiliate?
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>> Our affiliate program is now live and we are offering a generous residual=

>> commission to our partners. More information and instructions on our webs=
ite
>> at - http://www.4xpips.net/affiliates/
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>> We now have myfxbooks 3rd party verification as well. Let me know if ther=
e
>> is anything I can do to help you.. i.e. provide any other info.
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>> Best wishes,
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>> Kilion
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>> 4x Pips
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>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Graham <admin@cash-master.com>
>> Date: Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 5:37 PM
>> Subject: Contact Form Submission from Graham
>> To: support@4xpips.net
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>> Name: Graham
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>> Email: admin@cash-master.com
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>> Comments: Please contact me when you are ready for affiliates. I have a v=
ery
>> responsive list.
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>> Thanks
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>> Graham
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